tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post323187121631744127..comments2024-03-04T10:20:10.154+00:00Comments on Anna Chen: Madam Miaow Says: Chewing off your own footMadam Miaowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-74839686216973359602007-10-21T22:48:00.000+01:002007-10-21T22:48:00.000+01:00Hard Marxism, that sounds great. Probably go down ...Hard Marxism, that sounds great. Probably go down well in Old Compton street that.<BR/><BR/>Nice to see you getting lyrical Anna, but as your link above says<BR/><BR/>What next?DAVE BONEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08207525118627449541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-67584138000588247792007-10-21T14:42:00.000+01:002007-10-21T14:42:00.000+01:00Great article, I particularly liked:"Regarding the...Great article, I particularly liked:<BR/><BR/>"Regarding the labour and anti-war movements as its own private property, the SWP has come on like some sort of Bolshevik Re-enactment Society, purging activists according to whim, and hobbling our own side."<BR/><BR/>"Too many antiquated attitudes are being swept in under cover of the war, <B>with power relations found under capitalism thriving unchallenged</B> in far Left organisations"<BR/><BR/>"The SWP are sufficiently deluded to insist that, in the present political climate, the election of one solitary councillor constitutes some sort of victory. Instead of holding a post-mortem, they scamper for their next get-popular-quick scheme, a clandestine electoral lash-up with the Birmingham mosque, "<BR/><BR/>spot on!ModernityBloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354254639321208955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-49941523032763349402007-10-20T20:09:00.000+01:002007-10-20T20:09:00.000+01:00Good article esp. this bit "If the Left wants to g...Good article esp. this bit "If the Left wants to grow it has to decide whether it genuinely wants fresh socialist talent in the movement as it claims it does, or whether it stagnates. The choice is clear – use it or lose it. Everything else is just ice-picks at dawn."<BR/><BR/>That really does sum up the state of the left and the political choices it needs to make.Louisefeministahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279991897445225597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-34260426442628697862007-10-20T19:32:00.000+01:002007-10-20T19:32:00.000+01:00For Madam Miaow in Cassandra mode, read:A Bad Case...For Madam Miaow in Cassandra mode, read:<BR/><A HREF="http://www.whatnextjournal.co.uk/Pages/Politics/Chen.html" REL="nofollow"/><BR/>A Bad Case of the Trots - Tribune 5 September 2003Madam Miaowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-15279126911992555342007-10-19T00:33:00.000+01:002007-10-19T00:33:00.000+01:00By the way, in my comment at 23:00 on 16th Ooctobe...By the way, in my comment at 23:00 on 16th Ooctober, I replied to the Troll by saying I found Miaow's anecdotes plausible.<BR/><BR/>I suppose this might seem to be minimising the appalling behaviour that Anna experienced, and she has been brave and principled in publically exposing it, while i know from experience it is a lot easier to keep quiet - as too many of us have done for too long.<BR/><BR/>I personally trust you Anna as a 100% reliable witness and therefore I completely believe that those things happened, even though I didn't see them myself.<BR/><BR/>The point I was trying to make to the troll was that even people who don't know Anna, and therefore have no reason to trust her, should find the accounts of bad behaviour completely believable.<BR/><BR/>Also - Anna has a way of describing even awful things is a way that makes me laugh, which is probably why I referred to them as "anecdotes".ANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-82782706291060130802007-10-19T00:31:00.000+01:002007-10-19T00:31:00.000+01:00Jones: "I'm with Rees on this until convinved othe...Jones: "I'm with Rees on this until convinved otherwise!"<BR/><BR/>Is that supposed to be "convinced" or "connived"? Instead of leaving messages on blogs (which you seem unable to run yourself) you'd better join PDQ with John Rees to stop George Galloway kicking you out of Respect. Otherwise you've got a lifetime of standing outside student unions trying to flog "Socialist Worker" to largely uninterested undergrads ahead of you. Now that is bloody "hard Marxism".Anglonoelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04419902987152111536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-41277665337326183962007-10-18T20:50:00.000+01:002007-10-18T20:50:00.000+01:00"could be some of Arthur's old gang?"You mean a kn...<I>"could be some of Arthur's old gang?"</I><BR/><BR/>You mean a knight of the Round table?ANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-50921191307896695242007-10-18T20:19:00.000+01:002007-10-18T20:19:00.000+01:00"Hard Marxist"? very macho?sounds more ex-Millie t..."Hard Marxist"? very macho?<BR/><BR/>sounds more ex-Millie than SWP (I doubt that most of them have read much Marx)<BR/><BR/>could be some of Arthur's old gang?ModernityBloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354254639321208955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-54445656357647447732007-10-18T19:31:00.000+01:002007-10-18T19:31:00.000+01:00Hey, Anony Mouse,Since you like my blog so much, y...Hey, Anony Mouse,<BR/><BR/>Since you like my blog so much, you'll love this:<BR/>http://www.whatnextjournal.co.uk/Pages/Politics/Chen.htmlMadam Miaowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-6601436053538685542007-10-18T18:45:00.000+01:002007-10-18T18:45:00.000+01:00It's incredible, Madam Miaow honestly doesn't have...It's incredible, Madam Miaow honestly doesn't have a leg to stand on. Madam still hasn't provided any back up for her snide comments.<BR/><BR/>She's just one of those reactionary anti-swp types, can't stand hard marxist politicsJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00329252425201455904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-58003433246088515412007-10-18T01:05:00.000+01:002007-10-18T01:05:00.000+01:00but would Ian Paisley reciprocate?but would Ian Paisley reciprocate?ModernityBloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354254639321208955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-60489420732457782472007-10-17T19:57:00.000+01:002007-10-17T19:57:00.000+01:00Well, I don't know about the personal qualities......Well, I don't know about the personal qualities... the one time I met John Rees, he was very courteous, intelligent and helpful.<BR/><BR/>Although I could say the same about Ian Paisley.splinteredsunrisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11512033657370443477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-90892288725695422712007-10-17T18:09:00.000+01:002007-10-17T18:09:00.000+01:00"to which she replied that if people under sociali..."to which she replied that if people under socialism were all like the SWP are now (or then) shje woudl rather chance her arm with barbarism".<BR/><BR/>It really shows the desperate straits the Left is in if people just look at the trot groups and think, "F*ck this, I will take my chances with barbarism"...<BR/><BR/>Hey sad day, for poor old Rosa L. not what she intended at all............<BR/><BR/>Change of strategies and overhaul the principles that underpin the Left.Louisefeministahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279991897445225597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-17999478411877816732007-10-17T17:53:00.000+01:002007-10-17T17:53:00.000+01:00Indeed LousieIt always stuck in my mind, about 199...Indeed Lousie<BR/><BR/>It always stuck in my mind, about 1990 I was tlaking to someone and ineffectually trying to recruit them to the SWP (I never recruited anyone ever), and they were saying that socialism couldn't wiork becasue people are too selfish<BR/><BR/>I replied with the old standard about people changing in the course of the struggle, etc.<BR/><BR/>to which she replied that if people under socialism were all like the SWP are now (or then) shje woudl rather chance her arm with barbarism.ANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-31384838299917477002007-10-17T16:16:00.000+01:002007-10-17T16:16:00.000+01:00Mmmmm. "Jones". It is interesting that you say "I'...Mmmmm. "Jones". <BR/><BR/>It is interesting that you say "I'm with Rees on this until convinved otherwise!" 'cos how much convincing do you need? How many more concrete examples do you need for the rose tinted specs to fall off you??<BR/><BR/>You seem to be biased from the start and have no intention to listen to what Madam Miaow has to say. <BR/><BR/>Her descriptions of the SA are spot-in as that's what happened and the SA became a "play thing" for the SWP and to discard with when they had enough. <BR/><BR/>Jones, understand that many people like Madam Miaow have bloody appalling experiences at the hands of the very people who 1. should know better and 2. who are supposed to be the alternative to what is shit about this society. <BR/><BR/>Socialism is about looking out for each other not screwing us over. But hey, do I expect better? Fat chance!Louisefeministahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279991897445225597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-50339269024423490052007-10-17T15:36:00.000+01:002007-10-17T15:36:00.000+01:00Personally, I thought "Me vacuole - you pseudopod"...Personally, I thought "Me vacuole - you pseudopod" was a classic.Madam Miaowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-7658518978661725252007-10-17T15:34:00.000+01:002007-10-17T15:34:00.000+01:00ahhh - that makes sense now.I thought a "richelieu...ahhh - that makes sense now.<BR/><BR/>I thought a "richelieu quip" must be some sort of specialised form of sarcasm.<BR/><BR/>i was wondering whether I shoud=ld go on a course to learn how to do it.<BR/><BR/>BTW I likeed the joke about MAD comic, even if it wound up the easy-to-wind-up Rosa.ANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-42088206791846125212007-10-17T14:57:00.000+01:002007-10-17T14:57:00.000+01:00"What is a "richelieu quip" anyway?"As in Cardinal..."What is a "richelieu quip" anyway?"<BR/><BR/>As in Cardinal Richelieu, kingmaker, power behind the throne, etc - see my blogs "Chewing off your own foot" and "All change for the comrades".Madam Miaowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-36674795150698555972007-10-17T13:50:00.000+01:002007-10-17T13:50:00.000+01:00What is a "richelieu quip" anyway?What is a "richelieu quip" anyway?ANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-75030746353196685792007-10-17T11:33:00.000+01:002007-10-17T11:33:00.000+01:00Hurrah! My very first troll.This blog has arrived!...Hurrah! My very first troll.<BR/><BR/>This blog has arrived!Madam Miaowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-62086892184060622392007-10-17T11:12:00.000+01:002007-10-17T11:12:00.000+01:00It seems that comrades continue with innuendo and ...It seems that comrades continue with innuendo and slander.<BR/><BR/>You don't actually have any concrete criticisms or political points do you?<BR/><BR/>I'm with Rees on this until convinved otherwise!Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00329252425201455904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-5806017277623975432007-10-16T23:00:00.000+01:002007-10-16T23:00:00.000+01:00JonesHave you ever met Rees and Hoveman?the fact t...Jones<BR/><BR/>Have you ever met Rees and Hoveman?<BR/><BR/>the fact that Miaow's anecdotes are utterly plausible to anyone who has worked with them is surely relevant?ANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05901425044840795347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-42045758801675986272007-10-16T19:40:00.000+01:002007-10-16T19:40:00.000+01:00"It's all personality and no politics, all we get ..."It's all personality and no politics, all we get is little anecdotes and richelieu quips."<BR/><BR/>Yup. Sounds like my blog, alright.<BR/><BR/>Try paying attention and reading the other threads on this subject.Madam Miaowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-85108841702092796832007-10-16T17:58:00.000+01:002007-10-16T17:58:00.000+01:00Sounds like Madam just has a personal grudge again...Sounds like Madam just has a personal grudge against Rees and Hoveman. <BR/><BR/>What's your political issues with them? Why did you fall out with them?<BR/><BR/>It's all personality and no politics, all we get is little anecdotes and richelieu quips.<BR/><BR/>All very fine and dandyJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00329252425201455904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-449184298224335702007-10-16T16:27:00.000+01:002007-10-16T16:27:00.000+01:00Charlie: "About the last days of the SA, what I re...Charlie: "About the last days of the SA, what I remember is a meeting where kids I'd never seen before popped up, to denounce those who allegedly wanted to keep a small movement whereas they wanted to build Respect. "<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I remember that and this young woman (dunno if she was a very new SWPer) who spoke was all bright eyed and bushy tailed in building Respect and that was the way forward. Tactics from the SWP pushing the line from very new members as opposed to the usual suspects...I wonder if that young woman is still a member of either...<BR/><BR/>Reich? yeah, probably (though he had some bizarre things to say about orgasms...)and maybe Marcuse (maybe not?). I dunno, been re-reading Kollontai and she is still kinda under rated on the Left.Louisefeministahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279991897445225597noreply@blogger.com