tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post5489825715138799366..comments2024-03-04T10:20:10.154+00:00Comments on Anna Chen: Madam Miaow Says: Who's Left?: how the Left failed the Big TestMadam Miaowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-32727717784604647222009-06-06T21:01:42.451+01:002009-06-06T21:01:42.451+01:00It was a fine rant, Mick. One richly deserved. (Oo...It was a fine rant, Mick. One richly deserved. (Oops! They told me I wasn't allowed to use the word "rich". Yet another word to add to their Big Black Book of Sins.)Madam Miaowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-38253841289850239632009-06-06T15:20:39.009+01:002009-06-06T15:20:39.009+01:00The main reason the so called rev conservative lef...The main reason the so called rev conservative left is such a load of bollocks is because the poor saps genuinely believe they have a scientific answer to their politics, when in reality politics is based all 57 varieties of human emotion, including low cunning.<br /><br />Due to the scientific socialism tag, they believe they have the answer and the ability to solve all of human kinds problems. Christ these people even have a policy about what leg your prick rests on. <br /><br />Why do they need to look for political allies beyond their own leadership group, after all, those who are not with them, are class enemies, who when the revolution comes will be dispatched to the gulag in the sky.<br /><br />We workers may have many faults, but we are not stupid enough to vote for people whose scientific socialism has produced nothing but a mountain of corpses, it is for this reason too, why we will never vote en mass for the BNP, no matter how much certain Trots think we are easy prey for nazi nonsense.<br /><br />In truth the likes of the SWP are part of the problem and I doubt as an organization they will ever be part of the solution. Rant over ;)Organized Rage.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07627288401631451362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-16019146205310705132009-06-06T13:18:22.394+01:002009-06-06T13:18:22.394+01:00I agree with your points 1-3. Mod. They've hel...I agree with your points 1-3. Mod. They've helped usher in a new era of right-wing dominance through arrogance, destructive practice and who knows why else.Madam Miaowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-89711211730801039852009-06-05T20:10:34.902+01:002009-06-05T20:10:34.902+01:00Well you put your finger on it:
"Now that th...Well you put your finger on it:<br /><br /><i>"Now that the public has seen through the political class the Left is nowhere."</i><br /><br />The problem being, much of the British Left are *seen* as part of the political classes, a class apart, similar background, just the dumb down version, Oxbridge by another name.<br /><br />It is the leaders and the led syndrome.<br /><br />The British Left has never had the self awareness to ask:<br /><br />1. Why do we continue to fuck things up?<br /><br />2. Why can't we reach people?<br /><br />3. What is it about ourselves that puts others off?<br /><br />etc<br /><br />All of those questions go unanswered, cos bits of the British Left *think* they have all of the answers and don't need to ask questions of themselves, so you end up going around in circles.<br /><br />and that is not a good idea with the rise of the BNP. Then the Tories, oh fuck. How despressingModernityBloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354254639321208955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-27853771497714072472009-06-05T18:06:07.893+01:002009-06-05T18:06:07.893+01:00"It's always some other group's fault..."It's always some other group's fault, never your own."<br /><br />It was my own group, Magenta, not "some other's". The lack of any internal democracy make it impossible to tackle abuses. <br /><br />"And it isn't the "Leninist party discipline" that is the real threat, especially if the BNP and suchlike surge."<br /><br />It is a real threat when it guts your own side in the face of "the BNP and suchlike ... ".<br /><br />Until the left can be honest about the way it conducts itself it will continue to repel the very people it purports to represent.Madam Miaowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-76307298482461687472009-06-05T15:57:26.862+01:002009-06-05T15:57:26.862+01:00This is going to come as a shock, but the radical ...This is going to come as a shock, but the radical right are not noted for mutual and internal tolerance. So why do they appear to be doing well?<br />There is a long tradition of ex-members of left groups commenting bitterly on the experience, sometimes tipping all the way over to the far right. <br />One problem with this piece is it doesn't really escape from left-wing behaviour patterns, while denouncing them. It's always some other group's fault, never your own. <br />And it isn't the "Leninist party discipline" that is the real threat, especially if the BNP and suchlike surge.Magentahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11382722871690938053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-6761178483857658282009-06-05T15:47:53.731+01:002009-06-05T15:47:53.731+01:00No it isn't, DJPOK.
I'm giving this some ...No it isn't, DJPOK.<br /><br />I'm giving this some thought and will be responding to Andy's excellent piece at Socialist Unity.Madam Miaowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-52239816351083442162009-06-05T11:37:14.713+01:002009-06-05T11:37:14.713+01:00Is this your way of talking about the June 4th inc...Is this your way of talking about the June 4th incident Madam M?<br /><br />(NB, I hope that doesn't sound like a dig, 'cause I don't meant it that way - honest).D.J.P. O'Kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09114944904602822467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-16510037694168751162009-06-05T10:33:43.255+01:002009-06-05T10:33:43.255+01:00Marxists have got this notion that political takeo...Marxists have got this notion that political takeover has to be by force because the bourgeoise wont give up 'control' to the working class. They've swallowed Marx's Communist Manifesto despite the fact that it's the biggest bit of simplistic nonsense going.<br /><br />First of all society is far more complex than Marx made out, especially now. And secondly there is the ballot box, the powerful police force and then the armed forces. There aint no armed revolution gonna happen.<br /><br />Yet you've got these dumb heads thinking there is. They've got fixed minds that can't be changed not matter how many times a great big wet fish slaps them across the face and says, 'Bollocks'.Mr. Divinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07052431203238859217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-59000552672617656352009-06-04T22:12:06.504+01:002009-06-04T22:12:06.504+01:00What you guys are calling "Leninist" is ...What you guys are calling "Leninist" is really Zinovievist. In Lenin's time in power, only one person was expelled from the party.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-55109291589248055192009-06-04T20:54:12.737+01:002009-06-04T20:54:12.737+01:00Louise is completely correct.
The reason Respect ...Louise is completely correct.<br /><br />The reason Respect split is essentially the same reason the Scottish Socialist Party split, which is also the same reason the Socialist Alliance fell apart- control. The leaders of the various factions are too afraid of losing control over their cadre, and still see themselves in competition with the other factions, who they are now supposedly working with. They'd rather maintain control of their own bit of turf than risk losing it in the struggle for something bigger.<br /><br />These coalitions remind me of nothing more than the House of Commons. The component groups spend more time attacking each other than working together, 'whipping' their members to vote according to the party line and ensuring that the party with the most members gets its own way over every issue. And if you don't belong to any of these factions, your opinion is worthless.<br /><br />The Leninist method of political organisation is not capable of building the democratic socialist party we need. More and more people are coming to this conclusion.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12769996235446036041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-25346920874083295022009-06-04T13:46:36.556+01:002009-06-04T13:46:36.556+01:00The (dis)organised left has done so much damage to...The (dis)organised left has done so much damage to the movement. The only positive example I can think of is the SP trying to pull the recent wave of strikes out of the nationalist abyss. But even then, they are still so small given the conditions (full credit, though, to the individuals who've been working their butts off.)<br /><br />You are right about mass apathy and we know in part where it's come from.Madam Miaowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10237951918529887305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1244044300216345080.post-38089532963477525762009-06-04T13:39:32.567+01:002009-06-04T13:39:32.567+01:00This is one of the problems of democratic centrali...This is one of the problems of democratic centralism, and the bollox called 'Leninist party discipline'... It is all about control, and in someways this mirrors your average bourgeois party (including the borgeois workers one!). The revo left has itself to blame with the desperation to control and take over. Also, the sneery contempt shown by the revo left when people organise, and it just doesn't match one of the 57 varieties of strategy and tactical intervention put forward by one of our Glorious Leaders. <br /><br />Opportunities lost, and when good opportunities are shown there is a knee jerk desire to stymie the good intentions. <br /><br />It is not rocket science to work together as an alliance based on transparency and true democracy. Something that can attract people to basic socialist principles and the gap is there....<br /><br />And at the moment I really can't imagine (hopefully I will be proved wrong) that even with the advent of a Tory government it will galvanise the Left and working class into mass action. More mass apathy....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14253298308366441120noreply@blogger.com